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Re: [N8VEM: 13678] Re: [N8VEM-S100:819] FW: Wikipedia page User talk:Lynchaj has been changed by JoeSperrazza

Hi Wayne,
SIMH simulates the N8VEM SBC.
link below;


On Tuesday, May 29, 2012 7:52:44 AM UTC+10, Wayne Warthen wrote:
Hi Folks,
Not sure if anyone else has been following the last few days of Wikipedia status, but it has been quite volatile.  There is an active "Proposed for Deletion" discussion ongoing as you will see when you look at the N8VEM article itself.  I have made a couple modifications to the article to resolve a few things that were complained about by the editors.
The latest entry by an editor (in the deletion discussion) is:
Weak delete. The bit-tech source looks like it probably counts as a reliable source, but the other two don't, in my opinion. I can't find any other sources about this, which means the coverage is just a shade too thin for us to have an article. If someone manages to find another reliable source then I might change my mind, however. — Mr. Stradivarius (have a chat) 08:58, 27 May 2012 (UTC)
This essentially means that the article is likely to be deleted without an additonal reliable source being identified.
After spending the last few days on this, the one thing I have come to deeply understand about Wikipedia is the weight they place on their policies.  Right or wrong, the policies are everything.  There were previously issues about the article being "promotional", but it looks like the latest edits to the article have addressed that sufficiently.  The remaining issue is "notabilty" and the polices want to see at least 2 third-party sources referencing the project.  These sources cannot be things like discussion groups or blogs.
We desperately need to get some Wikipedia-defined reliable source to reference the project.  The announcement that Andrew is currently crafting for the N8 boards is, in my opinion, our best chance at getting some additional coverage that might work.
If anyone can think of a relatively well-known media outlet that might carry this announcement, it would be a huge win.
The point of this post is to get everyone thinking about this and to suggest anyplace that might want to carry the N8 announcement that would be considered a reliable source by Wikipedia.
On Sunday, May 20, 2012 8:30:44 AM UTC-7, lynchaj wrote:

A big "Thank you" to Douglas, yourself, Mike, Brian, Alan, and everyone who pitched in to help save the Wikipedia page.  I sincerely appreciate all you do for the project. 


Without the builders, there would not be a "home brew computing project" at all.  You make all the difference.  Thank you very much!


Andrew Lynch


From: n8...@googlegroups.com [mailto:n8...@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Wayne Warthen

Sent: Sunday, May 20, 2012 10:37 AM
Subject: [N8VEM: 13678] Re: [N8VEM-S100:819] FW: Wikipedia page User talk:Lynchaj has been changed by JoeSperrazza


I took a shot at adding a bit to the article specifically trying to stress "notability" of the project and it's "non-commercial" nature.  Those items seem to be the primary point of concern that I can discern.


Anyone who wants to modify/improve/clarify my words is encouraged to do so.  My belief is that we needed to get some words about notability and non-commercial into the article quickly to directly address the concerns of the Wikipedia editors.


Hope it helps.



On Sunday, May 20, 2012 6:30:39 AM UTC-7, lynchaj wrote:

Hi Mike!  Good news!  The Wikipedia editors have restored the page!

Please see
I can see their point on the article though.  Anyone want to take a whack at revising the Wikipedia article?
It is difficult to describe exactly *what* the N8VEM home brew project is though.  An ad-hoc distributed group of peer-peer free/open source hardware and software designers?  There isn't even a central design or product.  It doesn't exactly lend itself to an easily described philosophy.
Thoughts?  Ideas?  Discussion?
Thanks and have a nice day!
Andrew Lynch
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